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Gary "Hoppy" Hodges, June 5 - 18, 2000
Hi Gary, Wow! You seem to have a very good memory. I was wondering, is there anything you could tell us about your times living with Linds and Stevie? Any habits? In Stevie's song "Gypsy" she mentions going 'back to the floor that I love, to a room with some lace and paper flowers', what did their room look like? What was the poodle's name? You also mentioned going to the 'Rumours' sessions. It would have been interesting to have been a fly on the wall during that time in their career. Is there anything else you can tell us? We read about the hash brownies in Mick's book, do you have any stories? Thank you for your time! (Jax, Pennsylvania, USA) Hi Jax, That's funny you mentioned a BN tour when (and if!) the CD comes out! A group of my friends spoke about that possibility earlier this year, too, especially since Stevie and Lindsey are probably better friends now then they have been in years. What an incredible tour that would be! Record execs (and fans!) would froth like rabid dogs over that possibility. But humor me here, Hop. Let's pretend the CD gets released in May of 2001, and for nostalgia's sake, SN and LB ask you to drum for them again on a tour to promote the CDs release ... would you truly be prepared for a 3-6 month tour starting next June? Wouldn't that upset the apple-cart (so to speak) at home? I've always wondered about the impact of musicians uprooting to live months and months of their lives on a bus and a stage. Thank goodness they do it, though! Hey, thanks for your input here ... very unique point of view and very refreshing to read your stories. I'm going to print this Q&A out and bring it to Branson this summer ... are you gonna sign it for me? Thank you, sir! (Tim Bucci, Springfield, Illinois, USA) Hi Tim, Hi Gary! I don't know for sure if you've already answered this question or not, but what is YOUR favorite track on "Buckingham Nicks" (I'm guessing "Frozen Love"!)? Any memories about the instrumetnal "Stephanie"? Stevie has said that Lindsey couldn't think of a name for it, and that she suggested her name. You are a fabulous drummer, by the way -- I'll never listen to "Frozen Love" the same way again! Your work is wonderful on the record, and Stevie and Lindsey were so fortunate to have such loving and caring musicians around them, like yourself, that truly believed in them and their dream. :) (Claudia, Moab, Utah, USA) Hey thanx, Claudia. I think I answered this earlier, but I really like "Without a Leg to Stand On." Oh heck, I like them all, really, all of them. You should have heard the ones that didn't make the album. Man, they were really good. It should have been a double album; there was enough material for it, believe me, there was. I think that he named that song out of love for Stevie, really, just because she had no title… he said well honey, lets call it Stephanie and they did, I would imagine, or he just wrote it on there and she saw it later when he wasn't around. That is the kinda love they had, a special love, you see. Just yesterday I acquired a CD copy of Buckingham/Nicks in Missoula, MT that someone had made, relatively unaware of the sounds of it. I must say, it's pretty dang good. So that's my compliment... My question is: I noticed that there is a version of "Crystal" on the album, which sounds a bit different in places compared to the version on the Fleetwood Mac album, as far as vocal harmonies go. Is there a version you prefer? Or is that a biased question? :) (Sara Smith, Great Falls, Montana, USA) Hi, Sara Smith, This is not really a question Gary, but a comment on your generous reflections of those bygone days with Buckingham/Nicks. Your positive comments about Lindsey and Stevie from a time before they reached their legendary status is refreshing since you surely have cause to be bitter about being "left behind" so to speak in your career. No doubt Linds and Stevie crossed paths with so many people during their early days and a few who have spoken out (some in this forum) seem to have an axe to grind about being used as stepping stones in the early careers of these now superstars. Thanks for telling everyone about the fun and the lighter moments...we have all heard plenty of the dirt. With the roller coaster lives rock stars lead it is not hard to see how once dear friends can lose touch with people who played an important role in their lives and careers. You seem to have a lot of love, understanding, and compassion for them and what it must have been like for them once their careers took a different path than yours. Your lack of bitterness is very refreshing. It is always easy to dis the rich and famous once they get to the top. Thanks for sharing some of the fun and innocence of those days with their longtime fans. Like you, we would all love to see BN reissued on CD. Altogether now...."Please! LB & SN, if you are out there in cyberspace, give the OK and let it happen ASAP! Also get busy on releasing those new solo recordings, too!!! Take care Gary and thanks for your valuable reflections. (Katie B., Phoenix, Arizona, USA) Hi Katie B. Hi Gary, Excuse me if this question has already been asked but ive heard of a piano demo of rhiannon where Stevie talks about recording the "birds rustleing" and the "birds rising". Do you remember this demo? Thanks so much! (Alex, Wilson, New York, USA) Hi Alex, Hi Gary! So Afraid is a very dark song and we've heard that Lindsey worked on this song for a few years before he joined FM. Do you have any memories of him writing this and what might have influenced it? (Ava, New York, USA) Hi Ava, Did you go to see the Dance when they toured? (Ava) No, I did not see the tour (Dance Tour) live, I saw a TV special and I was glued to it, I assure you, Ava. I'm sure you've seen the Dance video, were you impressed and proud of Lindsey's evolution as a guitarist since leaving FM, and were you as blown away as the rest of us watching him play songs such as Go Insane, Big Love and So Afraid? (Ava) Oh yes, I was very impressed, and always have been with Lindsey; you know, it does make you proud to see him burn up the guitar and sing like that. He is so dynamic, Ava, I just loved it. It made me smile real big. I hope someday I will get to spend time with him again, and maybe get to play music with him again; I miss him so much as a friend and music comrade. He was so pleasant to be around, such a mellow spirit and lightning in his hands, just amazing. I just have to pinch myself sometimes to think I knew this guy and played on the same stage with him at one time-- it just blows me away. We really do need to get in a playing situation again, preferably a studio environment-- that would be a great place to meet up with him and lay some tracks together. Now that would be interesting and fun, as I have evolved a bit, too. If they released the CD (BN) I would hope he would tap me to tour with him. I would, you know, in a heart- beat. Listening to your memories of Lindsey working out songs in those early days and knowing that he was responsible for the production on the FM albums and what came to be known as the FM sound, it must make you feel very proud of someone who was such a good friend and who you knew when he was just starting out. Did you follow Lindsey's career after he left FM, and did you realize that in his own quiet way he had become one of the most respected producers and guitarists in rock? (Ava) I have always tried to keep my eye on him, in all he has done. I heard about departures and things, and I would hear he was doing this and doing that…I would see some of the product he was putting out. I have some here at the house, too. I moved out of LA in 1981 and moved to Dallas, my home, and then in 1984 I moved on to Branson, Mo. and have been here ever since, so I was not in the immediate LA area. But he has done wonders with his life, hasn't he, and I always knew he was great. He was well respected when I worked with him in 1972 to 75; hell, he was awesome then too. I walked to studios and watched him work and sat with them at the Rumours sessions in Sausalito, and he was brilliant and always nice to me-- never really had any bad moments with him. Well… one day he ran me off from the mansion, but he ran Mick and his friends off once, too, I heard…he just likes his privacy and I missed him so much… when I was in the LA area I would go see him or have breakfast with him or something. He was kinda like a big brother to me. He took me to the movies with him and his gal one time, and I got to go to dinner a few times with him too, just because we would run into each other and he would say 'come on want to go eat' or something; that was the kind of guy he was and still is, I'll bet you. Last question:-) Do you have any photos of the three of you that you could share with us? (Ava) Ok, last question-- there was a picture of the three of us standing at the Santa Monica pier as we would go to see there friend (a child psychologist at the time, Alfonso Lopez down in the Santa Monica area). Al lived right on the beach there and had a little quaint apartment; he snapped a photo of us and I remember to this day all of us standing on the curb. I can see it in my mind as we speak here, but I have no copy of it, and there were some pictures taken of us… there must have been in the three years I knew and worked with them, I know, but I have none to show for it. Someone does though, surely they do, we worked together played together and did shows together and all… there would have to be some out there somewhere. Thanx for the Q&A, enjoy talking to you. Its been a great treat having you share your memories of a very special time in all of your lives, thank you for your time:) (Ava) You are very welcome, and I am glad this format was available to share with you this so very special time for me. I thank the powers that be each day for the precious people I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with. Love, GARY Hey Gary-- Thanks so much for answering these questions, i have really enjoyed them. My question is did you ever catch the Mac live on tour in the 70's? did you catch on of the 97 shows?? Best To You. (Alex, Wilson, New York, USA) Hi Alex--I have a son named Alex, too. I was fortunate to cross paths with my friends of old on a tour stop in Dallas, at SMU campus one afternoon, and attending the sound check I was informed that Lindsey was at the Fairmount, which is a nice hotel in Dallas. I went over there and he was sitting in the lobby bar, having a drink and watching the beautiful waitresses they had there, I remember. Well, he and I had some sort of strawberry drink… frozen, I believe, a big glass I recall, and then he said come on join us for dinner. He was such a free spirit on the road anyway, so off we went to the restaurant area there in the Hotel--just beautiful, too. We sat down ordered, and in walks Stevie herself to eat with him. Well suddenly I am sitting here, having dinner with my ole pickin buddies, and it is quiet and we are eating-- not much conversation, though. We finished up, and up to the room we went to gather the guitar, and Lindsey sat quietly for a moment to himself to focus and pray, is what I gathered, really, with his guitar in hand; I noticed a little glow coming from that corner, by the way, as he did this ritual…and then in the case the guitar went and downstairs into the limo we all went-- Stevie and Lindsey and me-- for a short little ride to SMU campus, where the crowd was waiting. Outside the stage door were lots of people waiting to get a glance of their heroes and here they were now. We piled out of that limo, Stevie threw her fur coat over my arm, and off we went through this crowd that I thought was going to maul us at first, it was a very electrically charged situation. Once inside I felt a feeling of relief. As I was having a soda, Stevie came over and gave me one last glare, and then I went down to the tuning room (as I called it) as Mick and John and Lindsey were tuning their guitars there to an old stobe tuner. So I went out front and got me a seat and saw the most incredible show I have seen to this day--as they did "Don't Let Me Down Again" Stevie hollered to me offstage, "Listen to this, Hoppy" and off they went… it was a dynamic early 70's show, that is one I remember. I saw Lindsey backstage after the show and told him it was awesome. He just kinda looked at me as he would do and I said bye and thanx for everything and left, but my life was never the same after that day, I can assure you that. I saw them at the Forum too, in LA, but that was later on. That is all. Gary.. All your comments about Stevie and Lindsey being so much in love are nice to hear, one forgets sometimes. Being that they were so close were you suprised to hear they had such a bitter break up? And what were your impressions of the Rumours album ? (Amy, Thousand Oaks, California, USA) I was shocked at what went down, really. I thought they were forever, you know. I like the Rumours album; you should have seen what they had to go through to get it done and out, Jesus what a calamity of sorts--romantic and otherwise. I think it was lucky it got done at all with all the human emotions flying around. WHEEEEW!!! Gary....in one interview Stevie talked about when she and Lindsey were living together she "always tried to figure out new ways to prepare hamburger helper" do you remember this and what other kinds of things did she cook ? You mentioned Lindsey rarely eat junk food, what did he usually eat ? (Amy) Oh these are the days I knew them, yes, she was very creative with the meals and the cleaning stuff. She cooked and cleaned just like anyone would; she was very neat and meticulous about order and all…good head on her shoulders. Lindsey ate meat he would marinate in sauces and salads he would make; he ate real healthy-- no mustard and stuff on his burger, just plain stuff-- he was very health conscious all the time, very smart and wise about what he ate. Oh, we had pizza sometimes. He loved to eat like I did. Stevie loved to go out for breakfast, I recall--French toast and omelets and such fare. Oh she cooked, I think good as I recall, but would much rather eat out. We tried a lot of places in LA, there were ample places to eat. Gary...Stevie always said everyone always considered her and Lindsey married, was that how it was ? (Amy) They were as good as married, and behaved just like married people would with all the trimmings, too. Yes, they were an item, a couple, a match, they were a love of the century. Very much in love with each other all the time. Hey there Gary! I'd tought I'd get back into the conversion one more time! Before the whole B/N thing started and Fritz were still a group, Did you hang around them then? What was Fritz like? And finaly, What is your favorite memory of childhood? My favorite memory is all the family reuions at my grandparents house around the pool. We had lots of cookouts. Take care. (Sharon Bos, Sterling, Virginia, USA) Hi Sharon, I have always wanted to ask a professional drummer this question. How are you able to keep up your energy level to play live for sometimes hours on end? I have always felt that drummers must have tremendous upper body strength in that you have to keep your arms raised for such extended periods of time. Most recently I have been impressed by Max Weinberg of Springsteen's E street band who plays for 3 hours with no intermission-even doing fill-ins while everyone else has a few moments to breath or change instruments. I applaud all of you drummers!! My other question is regarding Stevie. Did she ever play quitar on stage or in the studio when you knew her? (Liz Niziolek, Forestville, Connecticut, USA) Hello Liz, I guess that is short for Elizabeth, right? Well, thank you for the drummer compliments. I love Max Weinberg, he is very dynamic and evidently strong, too. I love to eat and I do a lot of it to keep up strength; you have to pace yourself or you can get pretty burned out pretty quick-- I liken it to aerobic exercises-- you are sitting and moving in all directions. I still play and I get tired sometimes, Liz, but I rest and eat and rest and eat and play and eat and rest. I wonder what Max does. I like sushi, fish, meat and salads and all kinds of healthy food for strength. I take vitamins, and herbs I love, too-- there are some good herbs for energy that you can take too; it is a constant struggle to stay strong enough to keep it up, Liz, really. I just love to play though; if you get a chance sit down behind a kit and let go in as a controlled a fashion as you can, or just play along with a record or CD and see what you think, Liz. It is fun and things are not always as they appear-- this is what Jim Keltner once told me, as it may look hard and exhausting but it is also invigorating to play the drums, you see. Try it Liz! Can you describe the place where Stevie & Lindsey lived was it a house or apt ?? Anything unusual about the decor ? (Amy, Thousand Oaks, California, USA) No, just a nice clean area, cute neighborhood in the Studio City area. Now, there later places were mansions. I have been to Stevie's house in Hollywood and Lindsey's Tudor mansion, but he has changed all that and so has Stevie-- that was way back in the 70's. This has all changed now but those places were million dollar homes, and decorated beautifully too. Can you tell us what a typical evening with Lindsey & Stevie would be like ? (Amy) Well, there would be food, fun, and music on an evening; a rehearsal would be a little more business, but any time I spent with them was healthy and good fun and great music too. Onstage was awesome as they were very talented and fun to work with, I miss them! Eating out with them was always fun too; I liked them a lot! Gary, I have to say, your answers and stories are such a pleasure to read. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Your work on the BN album is remarkable. Frozen Love is one of the best songs I have ever heard in my life. I was lucky enough to find an old vinyl copy of BN in a used record store, and it only has one little scratch. OK, here are the questions (feel free to skip any you've already answered): Did you play the "yattattata" sounding instrument thing on "Long Distance Winner"? I love that part of the song. Also, did Stevie ever play the guitar in performances back then? Was she much of a guitar player? Did Lindsey teach her any stuff? One more: What do you think of Stevie's voice in its different "eras"? I love her voice on BN- the way she belted out those high notes in the last verse of "Frozen Love." Beautiful. Again, thanks so much for doing this. You seem like such a sweetheart!! (Sonia, Bronx, New York, USA) Yes, that is some of the percussion work I did on the record. I forget what that thing is called. Lindsey wanted that on there so I did it, that's me. I never remember Stevie playing the guitar live, let me look back here. Hi Gary! Wow, it's been so fascinating reading all of your memories about Stevie and Lindsey and the whole Buckingham/Nicks era! I was wondering, have you followed Stevie and Lindsey's solo careers fairly closely, and if so, what are your favorite solo songs of each of them? Also, what are your most recent memories of Stevie and/or Lindsey? Have you seen much of either of them since the Buckingham Nicks years? Thank you so much and good luck with everything! :-) (Lisa G., Bloomingdale, Illinois, USA) Hi Lisa,
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