Mark and Brian - Friday, August 15, 1997

Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham

MB= Mark and Brian
SN=Stevie Nicks
LB=Lindsey Buckingham
Show=the programming

MB: It would be the Mark and Brian radio program. Welcome into the show. All right, this is very exciting. Uh, Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham of uh, Fleetwood Mac sits before us. They've each been on the program singularly, but uh, never on uh, the show together. Listen, you got to know, and I think I speak for every Fleetwood Mac fan there ever was : how wonderful it is to see you two sitting in the same room -

LB: hehehe

MB: - at the same time, and uh, with a project that was just completed that is so good.

LB: Well. . .Thank you.

SN: Thank you.

MB: How are you? How you doing?

SN: Good.

MB: Are you tired?

SN: Its very early.

MB: Its too early?

SN: I respect you guys a lot for getting up this early. >laughing<

MB: Well you know its kind of unusual in that uh, I mean we have a lot of guests on the program, and its always very exciting when we have guests. But today in particular, everybody and their brother is here. Roaming the hallways in anticipation of your visit. I think the last time - (other DJ) well theirs and Lamar Fykes - correct. You know Lamar. . .he. . . I think the last time we had this kind of buzz was when we had Tom (sp) Woolpat from the uh, Dukes of Hazzard show.

SN: >cracks up<

MB: The place was going nuts. Tell ya what. We do know its early, and thank you both very much for returning to the program.

LB: Oh yeah.

MB: So getting back together, and you know, dumping all that baggage and dealing with it. And you even made comment concerning there was a healing process that had to take place. And the music on this particular new album kind of reflected some of that. That's a, that's a weird thing to go through maybe.

SN: Uhh. . . Yes. >laughing< Um, so what exactly >still laughing< is your question?

MB: I have one. Can you talk about the evolution of this reunion? And who was the first to call, or who - How were you brought together again?

LB: Well um...I had run into Mick about uh, two and a half years ago, and I was just starting a solo project. Uh, he was a different person than -heh- the one I had known in 78 -er, in 87 when I left. In what way? Just conducting his life differently. I was a different person, the ten years that I had been gone I think had you know, helped me to grow, and become more of an adult. And as we know, this business doesn't particularly encourage that.


MB: Very true.

LB: So we had a lot to talk about and I asked him to drum. A little while later, we ended up getting John McVie down to play bass. So you know, things started moving toward something a little more familiar. And eventually, we were just kind of all you know, in the studio one day at the same time. There was kind of a deja vous thing going on, and we realized that there - the chemistry was there without the baggage, as you said?

MB: What does it do to you as a group and you as an individual, when you are dealing with success at such an incredibly high level? One of the great rock and roll bands of all time, and there you are dealing with that as an entity and as a human being?

LB: Well it was different for us, wasn't it? Than for a lot of people because you had two couples that were breaking up. That fueled a lot of the music.

SN: Yeah -

LB: And all the -

SN: Without that, the music wouldn't have been the same.

LB: So it was kind of an exercise in denial.

MB: Its got to be, its got to be hard. As the world watches you live your life. And Lindsey, you -in fact, you speak about it. Let me give you the quote here. "We lived through such a musical soap opera, just the fact that we had survived gave us something in common.

LB: ::sounds somewhat surprised:: I think so. It took a little distance, I mean, for me at least. To be able to acknowledge that. I mean, to be able to look over at Stevie now and just, you know -

SN: Like her.

LB: Like her.


LB: Exactly. To want to do - you know. Exactly. There was a time where you didn't want to do what you had to do for somebody. And the challenge was to rise above that.

MB: You had talked about, Lindsey, your role with, uh, Fleetwood Mac in the beginning. That you would take some raw material, lyrics, maybe some music, and you would -

LB: ::clears throat::

MB: - Kind of formulate that. You would produce that into a sound. And what became a very signature sound. Which, with your album, Out Of The Cradle -

LB: mm-hmm?

MB: Which I adore, that signature sound carried through. You also produced the new one.

LB: Right. Well that was, I mean, probably my biggest contribution during those twelve years. Was someone who had the craft of record making. A lot of guitar players out there, a lot of singers, a lot of songwriters. And the fact that that particular knack or that particular style interfaced so well with that group of people.

MB: How do you approach a project like this? Cause it says you've been working on the material for a couple of years now. Since like, 95, on this. The material for this album.

LB: mm-hmm?

MB:So knowing its going to be highly listened to, are you more careful than usual?

LB: Well its different, isn't it, on a live album. I mean -

SN: Yeah, I mean on a live album you know. You re - you rehearse for six or seven weeks, which is what we did. And then you know, you go and do this thing that's just filmed and recorded. And uh, you just try to play it with as much feeling and love as possible. And hope that that transfers from the show to a record. And I think that we were real successful in this. We're all really proud of this.

MB: Uh... The work is apparent, cause they're showing videos on VH1, and we've all had a chance to glimpse


the other night MTV showed. . Its really very nostalgia filled in that there's the tunes of the past, there's some new music. And then you guys of course got together by the Presidents - pretty neat when the President wants you to get together for a little event. That must have been hard to step into. Cause you hadn't been together in a while. SAN: Well we weren't going to - I ca - I remember, I called you and said "Lindsey, in the scheme of our lives, I think we should do this because how often does the President of the United States invite you to come to his party?

MB: We've been to 7 haven't we?

LB: hehehehe

MB: Yeah, I think at last count 7.

SN: So you know, that was - that was amazing. I mean it was just an amazing experience. That couldn't, couldn't not be done, you know? We couldn't not go. We could turn down about everything else, but that was the one thing that - to me anyway - seemed to be really important. For us later, you know. When you look back on your life and say 'oh, I didn't go to the inauguration of the president of the united states cause I was too busy'. So it just had to be done you know.

MB: So was that a step in maybe calming the waters? And getting back together eventually to do this album?

LB: Ummm. . . It was so short, really. We rehearsed the one song - SAN: We got on a plane, we went, we got - and we came home, you know. We didn't-

LB: And everyone was actually steeped in some other side project at the time. So no. I think really, the lightbulb went off for us and probably over at Warner Brothers, when they heard and when we realized that we were. . .you know, in closed quarters, and just having a good time.

MB: You know, it is possible to enter from separate entrances, and sing in a separate microphone, to actually perform beautifully together, and not actually be together.Ask Frank Sinatra.

SN: Duets.>more laughter<

MB: All right, now we understand that you guys are going to do one for us, or possibly two.

LB: Sure!

MB: Are you physically, mentally prepared for this, or would you like a little more time to speak and wake up?

LB: We can - we could give it a shot. Its a little early, but. . .

MB: Tell you what. Why dot we take a break and play a few commercials, and you can pick up the guitar and kind of tweak and do this and do that and we'll come back. And uh, try one.

SN: Cool.

MB: Stand by. We have Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood Mac on the Mark and Brian program. We'll break and return with them after this.


Show: plays intro. to new Big Love

MB: Mark and Brian radio program of Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham sits with us. >big love ends< And uh, Lindsey's got his guitar strapped to him. And we would just love to hear something.

LB: :::quietly::: Are you ready, Stevie? >pause. . .microphone clunks< Okay. Landslide



SN: Thank you.

MB: Hey. Hey, wow.

LB: hehehehe

MB: That will always - that will go down as one of the most special moments we've ever had on this program. Amazing. Lindsey, you wear a lot of hats when you talk about music. You sing, and you write, you play guitar, and you produce, and you orchestrate. What do you think of yourself as, musically?

LB: Oh jeez. Uh, I...Again, I would just have to say: just as someone who's listened to pop music his whole life, learned to play guitar by ear off of records, and approaches everything in terms of the craft of record making. And um, everything really needs to be subservient to that priority, I think.

MB: So its a process for you in that first there's the writing, then there is the preparation and



LB: mm-hmm.

MB: So each one is a definite process that you have learned.

LB: Sure. And they may not be linear, you may start off with a about how you want a song to go, but if you're doing the job properly, a lot of times its like painting. You know, the canvas will start to lead you off in a different direction and you'll maybe make adjustments accordingly, depending on where the unknowns and the variables that you happen to just find by accident take you.

MB: Um, talking to you, Stevie, about how great you look. I mean people are going to go into the record stores - is it the 19th? - and they're going to see - the album cover, and everyone looks great - that you have really, really, really changed. You have really slimmed down. You've, you look wonderful. It was a hard or easy experience?

SN: It was hard. It was hard, but lets hear it for Dr. Atkins and his incredible diet.


MB: So your body goes through - you lose that much weight, - your body goes through all these changes. What about your voice? Did it improve it? Did you have to rework it, almost?

SN: Well you know, you can be very heavy, and have a great voice.

MB: No, no, no. But you -

SN: You could be a opera - opera singer, you know. So its like that doesn't. . . No. Actually, I think my voice is really a lot better is cause I stopped smoking January 1st.

MB: (simultaneously) Hey, way to go/oh congratulations.

SN: That was hard. >unintelligible banter<

MB: That's beyond hard.

SN: That was harder than losing weight.

MB: Its close to impossible. You know, its easy, almost, to say no to the dessert, or to this or to that. But to not pick up that good looking Marlboro Red, and fire it up, baby.

LB: hehehehehe

MB: Lets go - lets celebrate this one with a smoke. What do you say?

SN: >cracks up<

MB: Everybody! Here ya go. And a cheeseburger. Now Stevie, of course, the new improved look. And Lindsey, himself, has grown a third eye -

SN: >cracks up again<

MB: - right in the middle of the forehead. Its looking good. Very becoming.

LB: Thank you.

MB: We don't want to do what we did last time. We had a ton of phone calls, and didn't get a chance to take them. So would you mind talking a few phone calls from those who love you? Lets go to Pete, who's on line 1. Pete, you're on the air. Pete: Good morning Stevie and Lindsey.

MB: Pete, did you hear that first song? Was that not amazing? Pete: It was great. In fact, I taped it. I had my tape recorder all set up.

MB: Well sell it. You know, pirate it and sell it. Make a million dollars: SN &



Pete: Well, just wanted to ask Stevie about Silver Springs. Um, you know. . It's - it came out way back in the 70s, and um, I heard it a few times, but then it kind of disappeared. And um, I had a real hard time getting a copy of it. I had to wait until the Fleetwood Mac boxed set came out ; it was finally on that one. But uh, I really like the way you redid it on MTV I heard the other night.

SN: Thank you very much. We're happy because Silver Springs, kind of - because it was such a long song - got dropped, because it was too long to put on the record. And you know, with that, it kind of. . I thought 'well, you know, its never going to see the light of day now'. It did kind of become a little bit of a cult thing. Now that its - that we decided to do it again this time, and everybody seems to be really pleased with it, I'm really happy. I gave this song to my mom, writers and publishing, the whole thing. And then it was going to be this great thing, and it was going to go on the record, and my mom was going to make a lot of money. And we were going to be really happy cause she wouldn't take anything from me. I couldn't just give her money, you know. So to give her a song was this great thing and then it was taken ::laughs:: off the record. So it was like a double tragedy, so its just so great that its being done again.

MB: Do you have a picture of the people that listen to you? In your mind, the fan. Do you have like, one solid picture of what kind of person that is?

SN: No. No. I hope its just. . you know. I mean, I hope its that our fans are just people that really love our music. That we have somehow managed to affect. When I was a little girl, I used to say ' I want to affect people'. You know. With my writing, with my songwriting. I want to make - I want to have an effect on people. I want to say something that maybe helps someone or something. Makes something easier. And so when I think of fans, that's how I want to think of them. As that maybe we've been able to help them a little bit, you know.

MB: The new album, which is entitled The Dance, will be in stores Tuesday. There are four (4) new tracks on this one. Two written by Lindsey, one by Stevie, one by Christine. And I realize there's a forty city tour that's going to support the album. And realizing that its probably difficult to see beyond that, but do you guys anticipate. . .Or are you thinking in terms of possibly a studio bit of work? After all of that that has been completed?

LB: I think we're taking it one step at a time right now. Um. . .In the same way that we haven't really uh, arrived at a plan for any dates beyond the ones in the states. I think we're just going to see how it goes. You know, if not -

MB: We can predict. Hang on. We're getting something. Its going to go very well.


SN: Its karma.>more laughter<

MB: Its all karma. We're going out on a limb there, ya know. . but we think. . All right, lets go to Mike on 14 and we'll take a break. Hey Mike.Mike: Yes?

MB: Go ahead sir. They're here. Mike: Oh my gosh. I'm just in awe here, being able to talk to Stevie and Lindsey. Its just incredible.

LB: Thanks.Mike: Hi guys.

LB: Hey.

SN: Hi. Mike: I just wanted to say um. . I've been listening to you guys for God knows how many years. And uh, been driving trucks for the past 5. And there's been many a wee morning that I've had to get that extra 3, 4, 5 hundred miles, whatever it takes. And all I have to do, is reach into my tape collection and pull out anything by Fleetwood Mac, or by any - Stevie or Lindsey.

MB: So you're turning our show off. .

SN: >laughs< Mike: Well, 6-10 I cant help but listen to Mark and Brian. I just wish there was more stations out there that had you guys. But in the wee hours, that's what - the one thing that'll get me down the road, that much further. And it just hits the spot.

LB: mmmm. . .

SN: That is so great. Thank you for telling us that. >laughs<

MB: Thank you Mike.

MB: Lindsey, there is a - on the Cradle album - the last cut on that album is. . .it has my heart, because you talked about it the last time you were on the program. And it was your dads favorite song. And you acoustically played it on the album. Its just very simply that. And you had also talked about your relationship with your dad, and that you wish it could have been more. You know, it wasn't the greatest relationship in the world. But its one of the truly great moments on what is a wonderfully put together album.

LB: Oh, thank you.

MB: And if at some point today, if its possible..If you have the right guitar, and if its tuned, maybe we could end the show with that. If humanly possible, cause its so well done.

LB: You know, I don't know if I can do it with this guitar. But maybe during a break, we could figure it out.

MB: Absolutely. How about some bongos? ::plays bongos::

SN: ::away from microphone:: Oh my God!!!

LB: ::strums guitar once, as if to 'jam'::

SN: >laughing<


Show: intro. to The Chain

MB: Now you know, as we mentioned, on Tuesday, The Dance is coming out. This is the new album. Actually, its not an album anymore. Its a CD or a cassette. And that's coming out. But then there's also going to be a fairly sizable tour. We broadcast into several cities, so you're going to have a chance to see these guys. (gives shoreline and Hollywood show info) But if we could, before we move into more phone calls, and very riveting conversation, that we're guiding you through, thank you -

LB: Thank you. hehehehe.

MB: Why don't we, uh, you guys would do one more for us, please?

LB: uh, sure. We were >hits 1 chord< thinking of doing - you actually played a little of it earlier - so its >hits same chord again< just kind of a different take on Big Love.

MB: :::GASP!!!::: Mmmkey-dokey.

LB: Da Big Love. Big Love (faster than The Dance)

MB: Hey baby!LB (?): Hey

MB: You know that was an honor you saying that, cause I remember when Lindsey was over to the house and I taught him that one lick . . haha, on the guitar, and he wrote that song. My God, you've done that before!

LB: mmm

MB: That was strong. All right. Lets get back to the questions, we've been stingy. Rob on 12.

LB: ::exhales forcefully:: Rob: Well I was mainly wondering if Rhiannon was going to be on this new CD.

LB: It is.

MB: There ya go.

SN: It is.

MB: Its a yes. Rob: Oh great! You know, its like. .My favorite album was the first one. hehe. Fleetwood Mac album.

MB: Wait till you hear this one man.Rob: ::laughs::


Rob &

MB: (talk about some weird thing completely irrelevant.)

MB: Do you need to get up and walk around after that? I mean that one wore me out!That was some intense work you put out.

LB: Oh, no. It's all from like, the wrist down actually.

MB: Anything hurt?

LB: No, no.

MB: I'd love to be your next door neighbor at about 3 in the morning. He's rehearsing that song. Oh! Ah! Oh! Ah! Honey, they're at it again.


MB: All right, lets go to Robin on line 11.Robin: Hello. Good morning.

LB: Good morning. Robin: Well I've got something to say, and I got a question for you.

MB: Okay. Robin: First of all, I wanted to tell you your music is not just entertainment. Its gotten me through some very, very hard times. Its pulled me through, good inspiration. Um, second of all. I am going to my sisters - my sister lives in Phoenix - And I have managed to get a loan to go see your concert there. At Blockbuster Arena.

SN: Right. Robin: And I guess the question is - in fact my sister got an autograph from you, Stevie, on the plane once. Pulling into Sky Harbor. I don't know if you remember, I know you do a lot of autographs. But she became and instant fan at that time. And so I'm treating her to the concert. My question is: is there any way to get everybody's autograph?

SN: Ummm, well. . . I'm sure that we could figure out a way to work that out. Maybe when we go off the line here, you could like, you know. .Give your name to the people and I'll take it with me, so when I go there. . Robin: I have yours framed. Its on a flight log. She's a flight attendant. I do have it framed in my dining room. I would just love to have everybody's to add to it. I will be at Blockbuster Arena to hear you come hell or high water.

LB: heh Robin: Just how wonderful you are. And I did hear your concert the other day and I love the new opening of Rhiannon.

SN: Thank you. Robin: You got the little -oh, that's just great.

MB: Well we wrote that.

SN: Thank you. Mark and Brian actually wrote that.

MB: Party one night with them and they write a song about a woman. .

SN: ::laughs::

MB: Andrea. Go ahead. Andrea: Well hi Stevie and Lindsey. I just wanted to tell you that I love you so much. And Stevie, you mentioned earlier that you just wanted to affect people. You have effected me greatly.

SN: Thank you. Andrea: ::cough:: My co-workers are laughing at me. But I just wanted to ask you guys about the Buckingham Nicks album. Is that available on CD? It seems real hard to find.

LB: Uh, well we, uh. . were just talking about that. That's something that we - that was on Polydor at the time, and we own that now, don't we?

SN: We totally own it. They dropped us.

MB: Hey, that's a good feeling.

LB: Just need to organize that.

MB: Ownership is really good.

LB: Yeah, so I would think sometime soon.

SN: Polydor dropped us like a hot potato. So we own that record. So. . .

MB: Lindsey has a bunch of them in his trunk, if you want to stop by.


Andrea: So once again, love you guys -

SN: Thank you. Andrea: You're the best. Stevie, you look beautiful, you sound beautiful. I think you're the greatest. You're a Goddess.

LB: ehehehe

SN: tha - heh - nk you so much.

MB: You know, how must it feel when - you know its no surprise that that touring in the rock and roll world it very difficult. Hotel to hotel and shuttle this, and shuttle that. Its very, very, very hard. And when you walk out onto a stage, in a city, and its - the room is filled with people that so love the music that you provide. You probably aren't even able to be aware of how much it means. You heard from some of the people: 'thank you for your music'. That kind of makes it all worthwhile, does it not?

SN: It does make it all worthwhile.

MB: And do they, are they able to give to you? Can the room sometimes change the performance?

SN: Sure. A great audience can definitely make the show go from good to really excellent. A lousy audience can make the show just s-stay on a one way line, a flat line.

MB: All right. We're out of here unless you guys perk it up.


MB: That doesn't happen by accident. When these people call and they say: 'saw the show, your music means more than just music.' You're not, both of you, you're not performing or writing a song to be a hit. Just a hit. That's great. But you've got to put something else into it. A piece of something that - that's never been heard before, that's so special. And I would think you cherish it so much, and that's what makes that song, that moment in time so -

SN: Memorable?

MB: Yeah, so memorable for everyone. Do you write for that?

LB: You try. You aspire to it. You don't always succeed, but. .

MB: You'll write a song, Lindsey, and look at it and go: 'yep, um, its great. Great melody, it rhymes. Everything rhymes. Rhyming is good.


is excellent. It looks like a great song.' You'll look at it and something's missing. And you'll work it, and work it, and work it until its there. Or you don't let it go.

LB: Usually, yeah.

MB: Many of the musical artists we've had on the program have talked about the fact that some of their best work, was in many cases, some of the very simplest. And that it happened in a 10 minute period, on a napkin, in a restaurant, over a greasy sandwich.

LB: That's true.

MB: And some of the ones they poured over for 10 months wound up forgotten.

LB: Well its a weird thing, creativity, is an odd, its an intangible. Definitely. And sometimes, the things that are the most effortless, its like you are a conduit for things that are just out there passing through you.

MB: Check it out. Are you writing in the back of the bus, or in a restaurant on a napkin, either of you? Or is it just you have a schedule to write? Like at 3 in the morning, I know that's my time, I write then. Or is it different all the time?

LB: For me, its different all the time.

SN: Different all the time, yeah. I don't put the kind of work into writing a song that say Lindsey does. My songs just sort of come into my head, a couple lines that I really like. And then I just write it. I finish the poem, and then I go and put it to music, you know. And its usually very quick. But its very simple. And then it - then it goes to someone like Lindsey and then they actually make it into a thing. For me, its very simple and very quick.

MB: You write the poetry first, and then you go put it to music.

SN: Then I go to the piano or something.

MB: Then you go to the. . .Do you have a tune in your head? Do you have a melody when you're writing?

SN: Well yeah, I do as soon as I play a chord that I like, you know. For me, if it takes a lot of work, then I quit. If the song doesn't just, flow out, then it doesn't ever get written. It never gets to the piano.

MB: If it becomes labor then -

SN: Yeah. Then I stop.

MB: And is there a certain place in the parking lot you got to stand in to be that conduit thing? Cause if it, we'll just go and stand there and wait for something to hit.

SN: >laughing< You cant go there!


LB: Well there is, there's the whole placement of - what's it called? Fung Shway or something. Whatever. - the Eastern idea that placement of objects for optimum effect, you know. I think there is definitely something to that.

MB: Well. . .Are you able to pinpoint it?

LB: ::sigh:: No.


MB: Well let me ask you this. Is it here? Or how about here?

LB: Its more over there. hehehehehe

MB: So if we took a break, could we come back and get just another few more minutes? Then we'll all get out of the room and move about our day.

LB: Alrighty.

MB: We'll take one more. Stand by.


Show: ::opening to Tusk::

MB: This is from The Dance. ::long pause while song plays::

MB: Its the Mark and Brian radio program. Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks in the room. And we got another few minutes with them.

MB:You guys were talking about how you will write your own music. And you'll kind of get it prepared, and then to a degree, Lindsey will take it and then begin to form it into whatever. How do you go about introducing a song into the group? You've written it, you like it, you like where it is. Do you ask for opinions? Do you offer to Lindsey, say : 'I'd like for it to do this'? Or do you just allow him to kind of go with what he feels?

SN: Well I usually, you know. I make a real simple demo. Which kind of has the feeling that I would to have in it. And then I pretty much, you know, give it away. And say 'fix it, make it better, make it do - ' because I can only - you know. My whole thing is so simple that I'm, I'm not able to think in those terms. Of - of really arrangement. I'm not good at that, you know. So that's not something I even want to do.

MB: Now Lindsey, do you like - of course you write your own stuff and are able to do with it what you want. But do you like receiving that tape from say Stevie, and then doing with it whatever you feel, and hear, and



LB: Well, sure. Uh, its a - again, you know. That's probably a forte. And um, its actually easier to do for someone else than for yourself. Cause you don't really have the objectivity for yourself.

MB: You know one of the things that Buddy Holly said. . They had said you know, ' we're going to put somebody in there with you. but' - a producer, a seasoned pro that knows what to do. And Buddy refused. He said : 'ya know what? the song starts with me, so its going to end with me. How can I tell a guy what to do when it starts with - so I'm not going to have it.'

LB: mm-hmm.

MB: And you guys are fortunate in that nobody has forced that on you. You, for the most part, have been able to conceive the music, write it, sing it, produce it and thetas a luxury.

LB: Yeah, yeah. It is, and apply it to a group that is a real band, and the level of musicianship that exists with those 4 people, is not something that is particularly common these days.

SN: And it'd be very hard for a person outside of this band to come in and produce. I think we've actually gone through a couple of producers.

LB: We - we've had some casualties, definitely.

SN: They're dead now. They're not living. ::clears throat::

LB: Carnage in the wake of the Mac.


MB: Do you think MC Hammer was a good idea?

LB: No, no!

MB: That might have been one. .What're we thinking?

SN: MC has never recovered.


LB: Oh, is that what happened?


MB: Gunner? Go ahead. They're here. Gunner: Stevie and Lindsey, nice to talk to you. I'm real nervous right now, so forgive me if I'm a little tongue tied. I think its great that you guys can put aside your differences and get back together. I think its a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, I missed your MTV because I work nights. But umm. . I just hope that the rest of the world can take your cue and be able to do the same thing. And go on.

SN: Thanks. Gunner: And your music is something that uh, has inspired me, since the 70s, as much as possible. Hopefully I can get to one of your concerts when you catch up out here to northern California.

SN: Absolutely. Thank you.

LB: Thank you very much.

Gunner: Its a real big inspiration for me to be able to talk to people that can inspire people all around the world.

LB: That's great.

SN: Thank you.

MB: (gives now irrelevant MTV info) All the years you guys spend together - you took your sabbatical there. But then you got back together, and we talked about this in the break. That very first day that you kinda stepped back up on the stage, the rehearsal stage to get back together. And you started blowing through, Stevie, as you put it, : you 'breezed through 11 songs and it all meshed immediately. And automatically felt great. It was like riding a tricycle'.

SN: Well it was. That sounds so simple, you know. But it really was because we didn't really - all 5 of us didn't really even, like sit in a room before rehearsal April 1st. So we all just arrived at rehearsal. And if it hadn't have gone well, we would have stopped it,

MB: Was that kind of the agreement where you know, we're going to step in and see how it goes?

SN: Yeah.

LB: mm-hmmm.

MB: Did everyone feel that way, do you think?

SN: It was almost like we had never stopped. I mean, we got to rehearsal, everybody sat down for a minute, went up to the stage, picked up their instruments, and started to play. And it was almost like when you haven't a really good friend for a couple of years. And it doesn't seem like any time went by, so that was you know, kind of how it was. It was fun, and also, the songs sounded good.

MB: Was it cold before you stepped up, picked up your instruments and turned on the microphones? Was it cold in the room for a short time?

SN: No.

LB: No, not at all.

SN: When you've been friends as long as we have, even with all the problems and the heartaches that we have, we have still been dear friends. Since Lindsey and I have been friends since 1968, you now. So that goes . .He's one of the only people, besides my mom and my dad >hehe< that have been there in the beginning before we were famous. And I am sure I am that to him too. We were eachother. We knew eachother, and what kind of people we were before Fleetwood Mac ever happened. So we can kind of go back before that. And remember when it wasn't - didn't exist. So that's something that you can never change. No matter how many fights Fleetwood Mac has, or how many times we go back together and break up. When it comes right down to it, if any one of us were ill, or anything went wrong, the other 4 would be there in a second. And I really believe that in my heart. And that's the most special thing about this.

MB: You know, it seems like -and correct us if we're wrong - the music business, for the most part, is: you put out a new album, you tour till you fall over to sell the album. And that's probably what the machine was when you first had your 11/12 year stint.  Now you're about to head back out on another 40 city tour. Are there ghosts or things that you kind of yourself - oh jeez, OK, here we go - that you almost dread? Or are you looking forward to the process?

LB: Well I think if those things exist, they are not things that are specific in anyone's mind. They are things that - they would  be things that would come around the corner and surprise us. Its possible that that could happen. IT hasn't, you know, hasn't gotten ugly yet.


LB: So its really just the opposite. Its as you said, I mean, this is really one of those situations where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. As you mentioned at the top of the show, without all that baggage, it makes so much difference.

MB: Is there something to be said for the maturity that you've experienced over the break? And now you're ready to come back into this same situation, almost, and nothing really much has changed. Maybe you're going to be able to enjoy it this time.

SN: Absolutely.

LB: mm-hmm.

SN: You know if we - its not like over the last 3 months we haven't had some disagreements or some arguments, or some things that.. You know, its hard to get 5 people to agree one 1 thing. And its really hard. Any 5 people, its hard.

MB: Sure.

SN: So but what has happened is that's great, is that we never let it go to a fight. Or we never got - we've always managed to sit down and talk eachother down. Before we got upset. So that's when the great things - I mean there are things that could have gotten us in a big argument, but they haven't.

MB: ::in southern drawl:: Why is Mick carrying a machete?


MB: ::continues accent:: Is that something new for him? Did somebody forget to talk to him? Before you get on the bus, put down this machete. Uh we would uh. . We're short on time, and you've been gracious enough to stay a couple more times than planned. But could you play one more for us?

LB: Oh geez..What do you want to do?

SN: I don't know. I don't play guitar!


MB: Again, we got ::plays bongos::

SN: But we have a fabulous bongo player here.

LB:  All I can think of is ::intro to Never Going Back Again::

SN: Do it.

LB: ::plays part at beginning of chorus:: Do you want to sing it?

SN: No, because I don't know it.

MB: >laughing<

LB: ::plays randomly::

SN: But this is a titled song, Never Going Back Again. You lie.


LB: You want to give this a shot?

MB: You know what? You could sit there and tune up, and we'd dig it.

LB: Well, lets..lets try it.

[ Never Going Back Again ] 

MB: Tasty sweet, tasty sweet. Thank you. Thank you for doing it. Guys, you've got to know that we care very deeply for both of you. You've been on the program before, and how much it means to us that you would choose our program to come back and do this. Thank you both very, very much.

SN: Oh, thank you so much, both of you.

MB: (gives irrelevant show info) You each have given us a gift by being on our program.

SN: Thank you.

MB: >closes show, SN & LB don't speak anymore<

Thanks to for transcribing this and posting it to the Fleetwood Mac newsgroup and to tdi for sending it to us.