Innerview with Jim Ladd 1981

[On the significance of the Law and Order title]

Lindsey: Someone said, "well why did you call it Law and Order?" And I said, "well first of all, it has nothing to do with the contemporary context in which that term is used now. It has nothing to do with the society aspect." It's more specifically, I would think, the theme of how to retain innocence. How do you keep your innocence while experiencing pain? . . . because, I mean, everyone is born with innocence but as you get older and experience pain, you tend to close off your feelings more; you tend to become more cynical; you tend to become more self-aware, less giving. And the album, in some ways, is asking the question, "how do you keep those innocent eyes through which beauty - real beauty - is seen?" And uh, I think it really comes down to choices. I mean, do you reject a situation or do you reject a person because you are confronted with pain, or do you accept pain as part of the whole?

Jim Ladd: And learn to grow from it.

Lindsey: Yeah, and learn to get through it to the other side. I've experienced a bit of that in last year and I'm getting through it and I think that in order to keep that sense of innocence, you really have to instill a sense of discipline in yourself and a sense of commitment, really. Commitment is a key word too- to something you care about. A sense of order about your life, if you will. And that's how the title came about.

Jim Ladd: It could almost be the law OF order.

Lindsey: Well yes, but PERSONAL laws that you make for yourself by which you try to live - or a sense of discipline and order by which you try to live. I can give you examples - "It Was I" basically is a very adolescent theme. It's about someone who's probably first experiencing pain in a relationship and he's explaining what has gone wrong, but his conclusion at the end is one of commitment still. Saying, "let's keep trying. Let's keep going and get through this." The sense is really very optimistic for future happiness. If you go on to "September Song," it's sort of the inverse of that, the opposite. It's someone who is in the declining years of his life, who can look back and has already gained the perspective of the good and bad and what it really . . . how it really relates to each other, as opposed to maybe beginning as in "It Was I." And he is able to see that perspective and yet, he is able to feel that STILL the most meaning that he is going to be able to derive from his last few years is going to be by sharing it with his partner. Um, "Satisfied Mind" is a more general thing just basically about choosing between the pursuit of materialism or the pursuit of respect and affection and love of other people. And if there is a choice to be made, obviously the latter is the better choice.

Now all three of these ideas may seem a little fundamental or obvious, but when you think of rock and what it is today, I mean, much of rock really promotes a totally different view point . . . and I see that as a fairly shallow point of view, that's all.

Thanks to Les for posting this to the Ledge and to Anusha for formatting and sending it to us.